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Did God lie?  Bible prophecy conference to explore whether the second coming of Jesus already happened

Did God lie? Bible prophecy conference to explore whether the second coming of Jesus already happened

Was Jesus confused or delusional?  Did the Bible God lie?

According to the Christian Bible,  Jesus promised that various events would occur and he will return "in this generation," which would mean that the second coming would have occurred by about 70 AD.

A debate about this subject is scheduled for July 19-21 in Ardmore, Oklahoma, headlined by bible prophecy experts Don K. Preston and Joel McDurmon.

Preston, a preterist, says, "Jesus either kept His promise to return within the lifetime of the first century generation of believers, or He and His disciples were very confused. Even worse, if the Bible predicted the 'second coming' would take place in the first century but didn't, then God flat out lied and should apologize to everyone living today."

McDurmon is the Director of Research for American Vision, a group headed by Christian Reconstructionist Gary DeMar that seeks to "restore America's biblical foundation from Genesis to Revelation." He  agrees that Jesus came in judgment in the first century but further argues for a future return of Christ associated with a resurrection of the dead.

Preston notes in his press release about the debate that "79 percent of all Christians say they believe Christ is going to return — someday. 17 percent of believers do not believe He is coming back at all."

 

 

About D. Beeksma

One of the growing crowd of American "nones" herself, Deborah is a prolific writer who finds religion, spirituality and the impact of belief (and non-belief) on culture inspiring, fascinating and at times, disturbing. She hosts the God Discussion show and handles the site's technical work. Her education and background is in business, ecommerce and law.
  • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

    I wish people would figure out that the Bible is nothing more than a human creation, inspired by humans, and written by humans.  It's also a remake of a series of older mythological stories… much like Star Trek and Babylon 5 books, except Star Trek and B5 are much better.  lol

  • Chrisbrown0384

    god is here, i am him, israel and america know, and yes im apologetic.. i just believed i could be god and the whole world is a perfect circle around me, the FACTS are never ending.. its sick.. i don't even believe in religion, i think its division.  But my life is based after the king james bible which i only come to read after soo many crazy things happened to me from 05 till preesent.. ive been waiting for the right time and im 27 now.. born in 84.. the coincidences are never ending and miracles happen for me everyday..  i will free this world from sin.. and everyone can have a happy life.. we just gotta get rid of all this hate and terrorism.. my names christopher brown and i live in texas.. im white with blue eyes.. no more information needed everyone will find out when the time is right

    • the guy you just spammed

      Forgot ur pills dude?

    • chrisbrown0384

      delete please

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1449787178 Sheri Lawson

    Inter sting. This should be enlightening.

  • Cope_ups

    I'm very much looking forward to the debate in July. I agree with Preston that Scripture is mostly focused on Old Covenant Israel, the promises made to her, and the fulfillment of ALL of the promises in Jesus the Christ. 70 AD is significant because it was then that OC Israel was "cast out" and the New Covenant people, spiritual Israel, were revealed.

  • Skater60_00

    Did God lie?  ROFL!  What's the point in having a god if it lies to you? 
    —————————————-
    Did the "Second Coming" already happen during the lifetime of Jesus' first followers?  Maybe it did.  "You will see me coming on the clouds of Heaven…"  etc.  If you listen to the NDE (Near Death Experience)  experiences something similar to a "second coming" seems to be a common theme.  So there ya go.  The so-called "Second Coming" is maybe a strictly personal event for each of us.

    From what I can gather from reading the Gospels, Jesus was a "right here and right now" person.  His focus seems to have been on His first followers – His apostles – the folks who were actually going to be doing the heavy lifting of spreading His message.

    "Do not be afraid because I am with you" was also a common theme of Jesus.  His miracles, other than their direct effect of healing, etc.,  were intended to reassure and strengthen those few folks He had chosen to carry the Big Message.  I suspect that, at the end of each of their lives, those apostles were personally met by their Great Friend and escorted into the afterlife and given one helluva party that continues as we speak.  That's what the "second coming" probably means.

    So, if you're waiting for the sky to open up and God making a grand Hollywood entrance… good luck! 

    Of course for non-believers (I prefer to use "non-trusters"),  it's all hogwash.  And who can blame them for thinking so?

    LOL!

    Yep.  It's all hogwash.  Would I lie?

     

       

              

    • Deborah_B

      The bible is so full of contradictions that I don't see how anyone can believe it as some sort of literal word of a god.

      • Skater60_00

         Name one contradiction and we can go from there.

        • Vivisectus

          There's the one in Genesis, where God makes all beasts before man and then again after man, for man's benefit.

        • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

          Then there is the BIG one "Thou shalt not kill", yet God turned around and told the Israelites to kill every single one of said people no matter what.  When the dudes saved the virgins, God got pissed and asked why they didn't kill everyone as he told them to do.  This happened more than once and sometimes God let the dudes keep the baby girls and virgins, but other times they had to kill every last one of said group of people.

  • Peter

    Furthermore, something else is very curious
    about this episode: The silence of Mother Mary. According to scripture, she
    doesn't reprimand his brothers and sisters or remind them of his divine origin.
    Neither does she ever defend Jesus. Did Mary forget the visits by the angel
    Gabriel, her impregnation by the Holy Spirit and her miraculous virgin birth?
    Curious. If his family truly believed he was the Son of God would they ever say
    "He is out of his mind!?" Did his family think him delusional because
    he went around telling "the multitudes" he was the "Son of
    God?" As noted by psychiatrists: delusion by one person is insanity.
    Delusions by a few are cults. A delusion by many is a religion.

  • Peter

     

     

    Face it, Jesus was delusional and even his family
    thought he was. Mark (3:20-21) tells us Jesus was in a house addressing "a
    crowd." When his mother and brothers and sisters heard this they rushed
    there to "take charge of him." Why? Because, "He is out of his mind!"
    (King James and New International Version) Evidently, it appears his own family
    thought Jesus unbalanced with mental problems. Nobody usually "takes
    possession" of someone perfectly healthy, unless that person is
    "possessed." The Gospel of John comments "neither did his
    brothers believe in him" (John 7:5).

     

    Furthermore, something else is very curious
    about this episode: The silence of Mother Mary. According to scripture, she
    doesn't reprimand his brothers and sisters or remind them of his divine origin.
    Neither does she ever defend Jesus. Did Mary forget the visits by the angel
    Gabriel, her impregnation by the Holy Spirit and her miraculous virgin birth?
    Curious. If his family truly believed he was the Son of God would they ever say
    "He is out of his mind!?" Did his family think him delusional because
    he went around telling "the multitudes" he was the "Son of
    God?" As noted by psychiatrists: delusion by one person is insanity.
    Delusions by a few are cults. A delusion by many is a religion.

     

     

     

  • Mohideen

     When it comes to Faith it must be Logical, Scientific,Basically UNSHAKABLE

    Concept of god n what went WRONG now!

    To begin with we are so pre occupied with OUR LIFE, that
    there is no room to think!

                1. All the
    Scriptures were written after hundreds of years, and not in its original
    language!

                2. It’s
    not a Living Language(no longer spoken).Thus
    many errors and inconsistencies.

                3.
    Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sheikism, Zorastians, and Even Buddhist Texts
    have the

                    concept of one Creator(also called the
    UNCREATED) and information that science has

                    just discovered. Nickola Tesla,
    Father of Radiant  Energy,(the Genius who
    said the Future

                    is
    Mine) said Hinduism on Matter was consistent with his Theory of Radiant Energy!

                4.Thus  you can understand all this information would
    have come from ONE source, but got

                  
    diluted, over time. In today’s Communications Age, sometimes those who
    wish to create

                  
    Mischief succeed as most accept anything 
    told without verification, many of US also

                   become
    Victims irrespective of our Intellect. http://www.sns.lk/Book-02/Index.html

     

                5 There is
    a text that has Exact Wording, Meaning in its 
    Living Language and can be

                  
    scientifically proven! The Quran!!!!!!!!!

                            A. Check for any inconsistencies?          B.
    Try to Disprove by Scientific Facts!

                            C. Check,Code of Conduct in it is
    acceptable even now? D. Human
    Rights,Justice?

                            E. Scientific Facts-evolution, embryo,
    fingerprint,plants, animals, bee, honey,

                                
    watercycle, separation of seas, nerves and skin,matter, creation etc
    etc-U Tube

                            F Finally the  concept of GOD  http://quran.com/112

                6. You will
    find the Quran 100% compatible  with
    Creation, and the Creator, who 
    creates    

                    
    everything from nothing.  http://www.quran- islam.org/main_topics/quran/glorious_quranic_verses/glorious_part_one_%28P1364%29.html

    Please take Time out and with an open mind
    try to Understand

     the
    compatibility of Religion when  there is
    no Doubt of Human Error

    In this way each one of us can understand our Scriptures better, and perhaps talk to the those who are afraid of the Day of Judgement, to explain things that are not clear from their respective Books

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