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The atheists and secular humanists have hurt our nation, conservative commentator insists

July 18, 2011 By 6 Comments

Hartmann and SwainDr. Carol Swain, conservative commentator, joined Thom Hartmann for a debate about Texas Governor Rick Perry's prayer summit.

Insisting that America was "founded as a Judeo-Christian nation," Swain declared that "atheists have hurt our nation" because of suing to remove prayer from the public schools.

"I believe the one reason we have some of the conditions that you  talked about at the beginning of the show is because we have ousted God from public life because of a small minority of people, those atheists that created trouble in 1962.  And the Constitution does not say anything about a wall of separation between church and state.  That was to prevent the establishment of a state church.  Not to say that God had no role in public life."

Hartmann pointed out that countries where people were the happiest, healthiest and equal, like Denmark, are less religious.  Swain continued to insist, despite this evidence, that America is in decline because of "unbiblical and ungodly choices."  She said that secular humanists and atheists are leading the country down the wrong path and that Christianity is under siege.

Hartmann, a Christian himself, defended atheists, humanists and the wall of separation of church and state.

Swain said that she was not advocating a "theology" (presumably, theocracy), but thought that "We should be able to argue public policies with religious reasoning and scriptures."

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  • Monty Gaither

    Dr. Carol Swain is wrong, this country was not founded on judeo-christian values.

    If it had been there would be no religious freedom (like several of the original colonies), no Freedom of Speech (like in several of the original colonies) and the US Constitution would have the name jesus and the word god in it. It does not.

    Many of the founders of our country were deists who belonged to xtian churches to give them some rights.

    The colonies had many theists rules that would not pass Constitutional muster these days.

    "Separation of State and church" is in the constitution, in that the only logical interpretation of the Establishment Clause is an absolute "Separation of State and church". Here is a partial list of what is not in the US Constitution. http://www.usconstitution.net/constnot.html

    The first Treaty of Tripoli, Article 11, states that "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;…" and was ratified by 100% of the Senate and signed by the US President. It was published in papers all over the land and not one not of anyone disagreeing with it or being upset by it.

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com admin

      Great comment, Monty.

      Swain is representative of the growing number of Americans who believe we are a Christian nation and who don't think about what they are saying. They seem to believe that loss of religious privilege is somehow persecution.

      I thought her remark to the effect that Christians were the most persecuted religion in America to be grossly incorrect, considering the waves of Islamaphobia washing across the country.

      I found her remarks short-sighted and appalling. To be honest, though, I hear this type of thing all of the time from my religious friends. They don't get it.

      Deborah

  • Joe Atheist

    How wrong can one person be??? He tells her she's arguing for a Taliban-type rule in the United States, and she says "so be it"!!! WTF???
    "Appalling" doesn't go far enough!

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com admin

      People like her who are in the xtian majority of this country think that they are somehow privileged and better than everyone else. The minute they feel as though their privileges are diminished, they start crying discrimination and persecution. They do not empathize with anyone outside of their belief system, let alone consider logical arguments, because for them, they are right and everyone else is wrong.

      Deborah

  • Richard

    If this woman`s position doesn`t frighten you, it certainly should. It amazes me that they fail to see the irony of what they preach. Theocracy is the very thing we`re trying to rid the Muslim world of, and yet this woman and her ilk would have us led under the exact same system. I regret that I will not live long enough to see this lunacy come to an end.

  • Mriana

    Oh my! That woman is not only in denial, but doesn't know her history very well. Not only that, she wants her own agenda pushed in our government, which is scary. On top of it, why does she want everyone to pray and pray like she does? It's insane. So is what is wrong with Iraq and other Muslim countries mean it's because they are not following Xianity? I get really sick and tired of Xians taking over the U.S. Gov. and screaming persecution. They are not being persecuted. It's the other way around.