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Jack Van Impe Weighs In On May 21, 2011, End of World Prediction

Jack Van Impe

Jack Van Impe

In his predictions for 2011, Jack Van Impe says that Harold Camping's May 21, 2011, prediction is wrong.  His wife Rexella agreed, adding that no man can know when Jesus is coming back. They both think that Jesus is coming soon, however, because of the fulfillment of all sorts of "signs" that they interpret the Bible to have predicted.

The Van Impes tend to be dramatic with their end of the world prophesies, focusing on "the New World Order." Jack Van Impe, dubbed "the Walking Bible" because he has memorized so many verses, is known for his eschatological commentary on the news of the week through his interpretation of the Bible.

In the first of the following three videos, the Van Impes talked about a possible terror attack in 2011. In the second video, they discussed $5 per gallon gasoline and an impending economic collapse. In the third segment, they discussed microchips being implanted into people, which they say is the Mark of the Beast.

Starting at 2:30 in the third video, the two addressed Harold Camping of Family Radio's May 21, 2011, end of the world prophesy. Jack Van Impe said that Camping is misleading people because he tells them not to go to church. Van Impe also said that the world will never end.

Van Impe says that he will address Camping's theology more extensively two weeks from now.

About D. Beeksma

One of the growing crowd of American "nones" herself, Deborah is a prolific writer who finds religion, spirituality and the impact of belief (and non-belief) on culture inspiring, fascinating and at times, disturbing. She hosts the God Discussion show and handles the site's technical work. Her education and background is in business, ecommerce and law.
  • Rev Fred

    Churches never mention these verses that state the believers will know more than the unbeliervers like when christ will return, ask your minister what these verses mean! I am sure that he will not have an answer.

    1 Thessalonians 5:
    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

  • Rev Fred

    Van Impe is a sensationalist TV preacher that sells books and DVD. Originally he said that 2012 is the end because the Myans calander predicted it. How can a man of God aggree with the Mayan calander. Van Impe would say anything if he could make a buck with it. Camping draws no money from Family Radio and drives a 15 year old pickup truck!!

    Churches never mention these verses that state the believers will know more than the unbeliervers like when christ will return, ask your minister what these verses mean! I am sure that he will not have an answer.

    1 Thessalonians 5:
    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com admin

      The first time I saw the Van Impes, I thought it was some sort of spoof from The Onion.

      Deborah

      • Gale Jordan

        Do not like your comment. Apparently you are no christian or you are one of the many that call themselves christians and do not live it.

  • Rev Fred

    Jack Van Impe used to believe that Dec 21, 2012 was the end of the world because the Mayans came up with that date.
    Next, Van Impe stated that the World would never end.
    When the end of the world is an established Biblical doctrine.
    I was surprised to hear him say that the World would Never End!!

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com admin

      Good observation, Rev. Is he now calling it the 'end of days' or 'end of a cycle' or something similar now? To be honest with you, I watch so many of these preachers that I can't remember who said what! :)

      I noticed too that he backed away from the Mayan Calendar thing.

      Deborah

      • Rev Fred

        Van Impe shocked me when he said the world will never end! The guy has been talking about world events leading up to the end of the world his whole ministry! I think he has really lost it. Maybe he sells more books that appease the fears of his listerners about the end of the world. So, he has taken the passsage, "World without end" totally out of contex. God means World without end by the
        new heavens and earth which will be created after this fallen sinful creations has been destroyed. Kind of like a caterpiller changing into a beautiful butterfly! Remember, camping is the only radip/tc preacher not trying to make money. He recieves no money from family radio.

  • adrianne

    he is actually not wrong.anyone who studies the bible knows that at the "end"…which would be better stated as the end of this earth as we know it….we do live here (on this earth…tho it will resemble eden) for the millenium (1000 years).at which point satan is loosed upon the earth once more to try to deceive the nations.he will of course be defeated for once and for all.this is when the new jerusalem descends from the sky and all things are made new

  • robert verwindt

    Jesus said no man would now the hour or the day of my coming,but that the signs would let us know when his return is near.you are trying to take scripture and use it to say that christians will, you are wrong you are misusing scripture. Harold camping will be proven wrong, and when that day passes we will all know, this is not the first time he has predicted the end. if a man says thus says the lord and it does not come to pass than he is not of God

  • JOB

    So why did the world not end on 21st…? Did God decide 2 give humanity more time? Stop deceiving yourself and others cos God ceases to be God the very day a "Human Being" gets to know Jesus' second coming or the end of the world,. Christ said "the time hour" is unknown not to He(Christ) himself. Do u think God can lie by going contrary to what He has said in His word?? so how can someone declare when the world is gonna end???? ….. "and ye shall know them by their deeds"……

  • http://haroldcamping-21.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-harold-camping-will-not-tell-you-to.html harold camping

    Harold Camping is not a Bible teacher. He is an Old man with no knowledge of God or the Bible

    Camping's doctrines are from his own sick mind and his foolish followers are brain dead

    Whatever Camping says goes with these foolish followers of his

    He has the worst Bible interpretations I have ever heard!

    He will NEVER TELL YOU TO QUIT YOUR JOB before MAY 21

    SEE WHY HERE http://haroldcamping-21.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-harold-camping-will-not-tell-you-to.html

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com admin

      There was an interview on YouTube that I'll have to find where some of the people who work at his radio station are not quitting their jobs and planning to be at work after May 22.

      Deborah

  • Pastor Mike Wilson

    Hmm! Let us get an understanding here, The Bible says Above all things get an understanding. There's a couple things here that needs to be addressed one is the question is 5/21/2011 the day of Christ Return?, 2nd the credibility of Harold Camping. Lets Ask What does Jesus says about this time. in Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. and Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
    Mar 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. Now I believe was speaking about the time were Living in now, Let get an understanding about these scriptures Jesus Himself was speaking to his deciples about his return, Please look and see for yourself Jesus who is the word, Who is and is to come. says that no man knows the day or the Hour of his returnn not the angels in heaven, He himself says that he doesnt know, But God only! and when he said that we need to understand that God has placed this day under his own power, thus this glorious event will not be revealed until it happens, Which God the Father has hidden truths that will never be revealed to man until it unfolds, because of God and His Sovernty over his creation. Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Which is what Christ was saying that this is with the father only and no one will know until it happens, No man, No Not Harold, or the mayans and thier calender or anyone.past or present, scientist or such; thus this why Jesus tells us that he will come like a thief in the night, but he does disclose signs to watch for so that we will know it is near even at the door. no man will know that day or the hour and that's what Jesus himself says and thats the way it is. I do believe that Jesus will return soon, but to say an exact day and hour goes contrary to what Jesus says in the above captioned scriptures whe Jesus Himself says that No man Knows including Harold Camping, or anyone else, that are in error and causing confusion,and decieving people with this nonsence. I am also a bible scholor and have studied this out in great detail and I"m broaugt back each time to Matt 24:36, Mark 13:32, Putting an exact date on Christ return makes it false doctrine given that Christ stated No Man knows the day or Hour. Now About Harold Camping; He did This before in 1994 prophecied that Christ return in 94 and it didn't come to pass along with other predictions that didnt come to pass on the dates he declared, to me that sound like a false prophet to me, He has No credibility so if I were you I would mark this man and his predictions as a liar, and a deciever. I believe Christ will return when the abomination of desolation spoken by danial standing in the Holy Place, then it will comes, but the date that will be I dont know when it could happen, But the temple has to be rebuilt first, in order for that to happen. But again thats me but I dont dare to claim it as a biblical truth, because I can miss it as well. I suggest anyone with a bible sudy it out for yourself and draw your own conclusion in what The scriptures says and what Christ says in Matt 24:3 through 48,50. Mark 13:4 through 37,and 1Th 4:16,17 these are paralle scripture that come in agreement, I'm not a debator nor will I debate it, its not for debating it stands for itself in what it says. So believe in the Lord and be saved and it does happen you will go home to be with the Lord. Amen

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com Dakota O'Leary

      Spell much?

      • Pastor Mike Wilson

        Does it matter? I Dont care to be politicaly correct. This isnt about me, Its about thus sayth the Lord, So who really cares if I abrievate, or use short hand.or if a couple words are mispelled, I'm not the best speller, Niether do I have to be. but Its the message that counts. So rather then nit picking at it, recieve it because it is the word of truth

        • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

          Political correctness and abbreviating words was not her point. I abbreviate too. Your wall of… I don't know what to call it. Anyway, it makes no sense and having to decipher what you are trying to spell makes it even worse. There is something else I've noticed about Xians such as yourself- none of them know how to spell nor have they actually studied and research their own religion. Yet they want to get their message across to others. Why does all of that seem typical? Secondly, I'm not sure how they get any message across that way.

        • http://www.goddiscussion.com Dakota O'Leary

          Yes, it does matter. If you have really been through theological college, you would have had to have written a lot of papers, and one would think that you would be able to express your ideas much more clearly. Your comment was nearly unintelligible there were so many spelling errors in it. I could not finish reading it. Therefore, any thoughts you might have wanted to get across were completely lost in translation. And that is a shame, because I'm sure you wanted to make some interesting points.

      • Pastor Mike Wilson

        God Bless you,Jesus Loves you

        • Pastor Mike Wilson

          No it doesnt, Because if you would use wisdom then you would have thaught of the Possibility that these mispellings were acedental, My Keys on my computer stick, and sometimes when trying to get the key to worki accidently press other keys around that letter. but sence your been nit picken I have slowed down to one finger typing to ensure that there are no mistakes, Hows this

        • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

          It's not helping any, but I do not think you biggest mistake was your spelling. No, your mistake with me was when you screwed up with not knowing your Greek and saying you are a license minister, who knows what he is talking about. You would have been fine with me until you started that. Oh and I missed the part about you going to a theological college. If you really had, you'd know at least a little bit of Greek.

          I use to be a license lay minister and I understand some Greek. Sadly, both Dakota and I have called you on all of this and yet you try to say we are wrapped in ourselves. Look who's calling the kettle black. Seems to me, you're only embarrassing yourself.

  • Pastor Mike Wilson

    I see,A rebuke without a cause.Hmm! well Lets see, I have been through bible school,Have been through theological education, I'am a Licensed and ordained Minister, I currently pastor a Church in Greenwich Ohio. I continue my studies daily before the Lord in prayer and Study of the scriptures. I am faithful to the Lord, And I'm not an Ex-ian. Were saved by faith through grace, believing in Jesus alone for salvation not man. as far as religion it cant save you so no I'm not religious. So your assumption about me was not correct. But all is well. As far as what was said, Besides common errors in spelling, it was pretty plain. Might I suggest that when you comment about something get an understanding of what is been said in the conversation before bearing your teeth and saying something that was uncalled for! and completely rude. My oath as a Minister is to protect the scriptures and the Holy Bible, to correct when in error, to rubuke and reproof false doctrine to cast down everthing that exults itself against the knowledge of God. And it has been established that Mr Harold Camping was in error concering the return of Christ been on 5/21/2011 which was completely contrary to what Jesus Himself taught his deciples in Matt 24:3 through 48,50. Mark 13:4 through 37,and what paul taught in 1Th 4:16,17. and I was stating those scriptures in order to Correct his error and reproof the false teaching behind it. Again it was pretty clear. Maybe next time dont be hasty, but read it and search it out before been rude. I believe what jesus says in the scriptures before I believe in what man says.And harold was claiming to know that 5/21/2011 was the second coming which goes completely against the teachings of Christ. I try the Spirit By The Spirit and it has to line up before I believe it, word for word. and it what he is teaching doesn't line up with what Christ Himself says. But as Looked over your comment and I seen certain words, Out of the abundance the heart the mouth speaketh. I see by your words and your probably not even saved, because you have to born again to understand what the word says, The word cant be understood by the carnal Mind, but by the spirit of God and a renewed mind through the washing of the word. I dont expect you to understand what was said so with this go in peace, Jesus Loves you

    • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

      Pastor Mike, given that you wrote "Ex-ian", I find it difficult to believe you have actually studied Xianity. X is Chi in Greek. The X is part of the Chi Rho, often seen like this: ☧
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

      The Chi (X) is often used to symbolize and abbreviate the Greek form the word Christ. In Greek Christ is Χριστός . X is the initial. You can read more about it on Wickedpedia.

      No insult intended, but where and how did you get your license? Secondly, how can one get an understanding of what one is saying when the reader has to decipher the words due to misspellings? Third, well, I hate to say this, but you ain't no Bishop Spong, Fr. Harpur, or alike. At least they know what Xian is, what it means, where it came from, how to spell it, and even how to use it. I'm sorry, but given all of that, name one good reason as to why we should listen to you as a minister? Why should we take stock in your license, when you obviously don't know squat about Xianity and the Chi-Rho?

      Well, saved or not, the fact that you brag about being a license minister, yet do not show that you have any knowledge of the subject you are discussing, it makes no sense to even try to comprehend what you write. Again, you don't know squat about your own religion and it sadly shows. Where ever you got your license, take it back and get your money back. Then, go get some real knowledge about Xianity. Sadly, you FAIL!

      But if you want to keep going be my guest. I can show you more stuff that you don't know about Xianity. Because DAMN! Your "And I'm not an Ex-ian." sticks out like a sore thumb and shows you don't know didley about your own religion.

      One last thing, IMHO, you are rude for preaching and bragging about being a minister, when you obviously do not know the material.

      • Pastor Mike Wilson

        I dont expect a thing, I was Giving you what jesus Himself said, I'm not interested in your religion,And if your not saved your not going anyways. I do know what the scriptures say and The Ministry that I carry has been well proven so your insults dont phase me one bit. It just shows me that your not saved, it shows the devil with in. Now that you know the truth in what Christ Not man teaches in the bible. I gave you the scriptures that show with out fault that the 5/21/2011 is false and it is in error with Christ's teachings concerning the 2nd coming, Thats all Nothing more or less. But know this along with Harold every one that gets decieved from these teaching and looses faith because it doesn't come to pass then thier blood will be upon Harolds head and all others that are spreading this harisies. and you will recieve a greater condemnation in the hour of Judgment. All I'm sent to do is show you all the truth in what Christ said himself,Does the words of Christ have any credibiltiy with you!. Read it for yourself. if you dont believe me then read it for yourself, Believe what Jesus says in Matt 24:36, and Mark 13:32, These are the words of Christ himself, He is the truth and He cant lie. That all I asking but read the whole Chapter of Matt 24, and mark 13, and see for yourself Ok. blessings

        • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

          No that was not my religion. That was a bit of history concerning YOUR religion, which includes Jesus, who is the Christ, which in Greek is Χριστός as I said before. Please do not preach or brag that you are a minister when you don't know the material.

        • Pastor Mike Wilson

          Your still not hearing what Im saying, your so wrapped up in you, What I was refering to was The 5/21/2011 doctrine which is not a part of the Christian faith, cause its contrary to the words of Christ

        • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

          No one is saying it is or it isn't part of the Xian religion. What I was saying, which you are not hearing, is that you bragged about being a license minister, but yet you have no clue of your Greek, which was the original language of the Bible. You also do not know what a Chi is or the abbreviation for Christ is. Thus you don't know your material, yet are preaching and calling us rude. Now who is wrapped up in themselves?

  • Pastor Mike Wilson

    I was sent, The Lord has sent me to speak what he says concerning anyone that claims to know the Hour or the day. I know this page supports the 5/21/2011 doctrine I seen the evidence by what's on the page and some of the post, I seen where you all were back bitting Jack Van Impe, and he was refering to the scriptures that I have already posted. No doubt that I'm been back bitten Already, Now I have spoken what the Lord says about this, and now its between you and the Lord, Your Blood isn't on me Whether or not you recieve me, its not my problem, I have done what the Lord has sent me to do. I will not reply back to you from this point, now matter what you say because your bringing greater condemnation to yourself Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
    Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
    These are also the Words of Christ. So In Jesus Name Go in peace, and I Forgive you for your insults, all is well may God have mercy on your souls

    • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

      ROFL! The Lord sent you? Are you sure you didn't use a search engine to find us?

  • April

    Pastor Mike,
    I clearly understood the message that you wrote. All other comments pointing out bad spelling or grammatical errors were unnecessary. The message is what mattered. Thank you.

  • eProm zProm

    Mriana,

    Your photo says it all!

    • http://www.houseofbetazed.com Mriana

      What does my photo say?

  • Davey Boy Smith

    IF YOU CAN'T SPELL PROPERLY THEN YOU ARE A DECEIVER!!!
    Just kidding!! But in all seriousness – yes -judgement day will be May. 21, 2011 and there will be a great earthquake to reign it in. Arguing won't change it.
    You're just scared and trembling and hoping it's wrong – I would prepare now…

    No emails please.

  • billthelifer

    Dr. Van Impe doesn't predict the end of the world. He predicts the end of the old, sinful order and the establishment of God's Justice in the Earth.

    But just to hedge my bets, I'm not sending any money to anybody predicting the end because if it happens, then what about my refund?

    I'm a religious liberal so I don't totally agree with Dr. Van Impe – OK – I just don't agree with about 99.9999% of his "eschatology" but I still love the guy!!

  • David Witten

    Woops! A couple of things have to happen first.

    " Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, a…s that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3

  • tabitha f. sy

    1COR. 1:19 "JESUS SAID..I WILL FRUSTRATE THEM WTH THEIR INTELLECT"THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO LEGALISTIC & FAULTING FINDINGS ARE JUST LIKE THE PHARISEES DURING HIS TIME..MATT.5:20 SAYS IF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS DOES NOT EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE PHARISEES THEN YOU WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN..instead of argueing LET US THE PEOPLE GOD PREPARED FOR HIS COMING..A PEOPLE READY TO MEET THIR GOD..WHEN? IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME..GODBLESS!

  • Brenda

    Dr. Van Impe has always stressed that this is a world without end. The world as we know it will cease to exist with the second coming of Jesus but he has made it clear that this world will not end.

  • Marius Botha

    Do you ever just stop a min in your 'busy' life to just think of God your creator?? Or do you find yourself too wrapped up in the cares and worries of this life ? The next pay check, or wishing you had enough to purchase the latest car, what you're gonna wear, the latest cell phone, or when next you're gonna get drunk?

    Well take just 30 min of this day for Jesus who died for your sins ! Yes and tomorrow you in a car accident, or you get robbed at gun point, freak out, make a wrong move and get shot and killed. Then what ? You going to take your cell phone or pay check, the car or clothing along? From dust you were created and from dust you shall return !

    And if you're an atheist and don't believe in after life, just contemplate if you're wrong and there is indeed an after life? Ever considered the massive consequences of that ? Do you think God is gonna going to say 'It's ok my friend come into my kingdom I forgive you in denying me your own creator, I forgive you for cursing like a trooper, for mocking, scoffing and making jokes ripping me off ? Sure come into my holy iniquity free kingdom with your filth and dirt load of sins you carry with you'.
    If you're thinking this way I'm sorry but welcome to reality, you WILL be banished where you belong in hell with Satan torturing you for eternity, in fire perhaps, in total darkness all ALONE crying to Jesus for mercy ! As your pain is TOO EXTREME to take any second longer, the tears falling down your face, the blisters covering your soul, but unfortunately you get no answer, and if you think this life is long, well you're gonna be in that torment for ETERNITY with not one second of relief !

    You think he is TOO loving and forgiving for that ? Yes he is loving and his grace is unbelievable, but he is only offering it for so long and then no more, he is also a God of judgment and HAS to judge accordingly.
    We have ALL fallen under sin and the penalty of sin is DEATH and that death is HELL. Now again if you make jokes about hell, well guess what?
    The greatest trick the devil ever played was making people believe he doesn't exist ! He KNOWS he's fate has been sealed where he too will suffer eternity in torment and wants to drag as MANY human beings who are (created in Gods image) with him!
    Hell is NO fairy tale it's VERY real reality and not to be taken casually at all.
    You see God had every right to cast us ALL into hell as SOON as we rebelled against him. Why not? Sin is EVIL and he is the peace keeper and law giver. The angels that followed satan (who wanted to be like God and greater than him because of jealously), they never got a second chance, no hope of salvation for them, but we been created in HIS image and after HIS likeness have been given a hope, a hope of everlasting life in HEAVEN! We out of ALL his creation are the HIGHEST rank! How awesome isn't that? How blessed :) ! We are in HIS image and after HIS likeness, for that reason he might not have offered the angels a chance for rebelling but for US he has !!
    Sin is evil, God is HOLY they can NOT coexist, it is IMPOSSIBLE. We can NOT come into Gods presence with evil living inside us!
    So God offered us a hope in the form of Jesus who WILlINGLY gave his life as a SACRIFICE for us (The ONlY one who was capable living a sin free life) and died on the cross for us and he ROSE again thus overcoming sin, (death and hell), he suffered not only physically but spiritually even before the cross when he was in the garden of Gethsemane already sweating matthew 26vs36-39 And he took with Peter and the two sons of Zebedee and began to be sorrowful and very heavy. Then he saith unto them ' My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death, tarry you here and watch with me'. And he went a little further, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, 'Oh my father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not I as will, but as thou wilt'. This proves that clearly he suffered way before the physically suffering of the cross.
    He LOVES you and WANTS you to come to repentance, he did all that for YOU and you care more about what your friends think? Who are they? Besides mortal beings under SIN? You care more what the world thinks because it will reject you? You care more about wanting to fit in, than what you own Father in heaven thinks who knew you going to be born even before the creation of this world! Who knew how many tears you were going to shed, how your life was going to pane out even before the foundation of this world!
    The gospel according to John, st John 1vs1-5: In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word WAS God.
    The same was in the beginning with God.
    All things were made by him and without him was NOTHING made that was made
    In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
    And the light shineth in the darkness and the darkness comprehended it not.
    And in verse 10-11: He was in the world, and the world was made by him and the world knew him not.
    He came unto his own and his own received him not.

    You see the world does NOT want to hear about Jesus, if they do they will have to admit they are sinners and if they admit they are sinners, then that means to stop living for yourself ! And to live for God and HIS will. (Which is extremely difficult as the world will reject you) Why though? Why will they reject you? He after all is our creator? The answer is SIMPLE because satan rules on this earth and the world is under satans rule as the bible states. Therefore satan been an enemy of Jesus does not wanna hear about him, as he defeated satan the moment he was resurrected. So if one mocks or scoffs you because you follow Jesus well then they are under satans power, as he too was a scoffer in heaven before God cast him down to earth.
    That is why people automatically choose evil as we are born into sin under satans rule, so to follow Jesus we need to break FREE of satans rule and satan being the father of all lies will do his utmost to see us fall with him.

    Many of todays churches are NOT bringing across the true gospel anymore, but instead allowing divorce, permitting homosexuality (which the bible says is an ABOMINATION to God), preaching about worldly profit, instead of preaching about hell and not falling into the ways of this world!
    The bible says 'what profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul in the process?'
    And in St John15vs19: If you were of the world, the world would love it's own, but because you are not of the, but I have CHOSEN you OUT of the world, therefore the world hateth you.'
    And in vs 22: If I had not come and spoken unto them, they they had no sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
    Some people are even saying it is the end of the church age, and in a way that makes sense as things only happen if God allows it to..
    Jesus said 'many shal come to me in that day and say Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in your name and done MIRACLES in YOUR name? And he will say depart from me you that work iniquity'. Whether it is the end of the church age or not is not important. The important thing to know is no to trust in your church or in man the bible says 'cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and BLESSED be the man that trusteth in GOD'
    And if we want to hear what God has to say all we need do is pray for wisdom and guidance and read from his word (the bible) which he gave to us to guide us.
    Many are saying the world is going to end midnight tonight, but maybe it is and maybe it won't. I DO know that people counter that by saying that the bible says 'no man knoweth the day or hour' and so Harald Camping counters that again by saying but in the next verse it states 'but YOU brethen are not in darkness that, that day should overtake you as a thief'.
    So if he does come tonight, have you got him as your savior yet or have you no cloak for your sins? If so you can expect an eternal punishment in HELL. If he didn't come tonight but the next day, or next month or next year, is he your savior? As it could happen ANYTIME.
    In acts ch1vs7: And he saith unto them 'It is NOT for you to know the times or seasons, which the father hath put in his OWN power'.
    Let's say he came this very minute and he was face to face with you, and you going to cry and beg and weep and lament for mercy and you know what's going to happen? He WILL cast you into eternal damnation. It will be TOO late then.
    But NOW you STILL have time to call upon his name, and if you're pulling away at this very moment well then you're not part of his elect, Romans8vs30 moreover whom he did PREDESTINATE, them he CALLED, them he also justified, and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
    And Ephesians 2vs8: For by GRACE are you saved through FAITH, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES: it is a GIFT of God.
    The bible say we love him because he FIRST loved us..
    So let us call upon the name of the lord through JESUS while we still have the time.
    All other religions are FAKE and there is NO hope in them! 1 Timothy Ch2vs5: For there is ONE mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.
    If you're ashamed of Jesus, then as Jesus said he will be shamed of you in front of his father God.
    The bible is not a religion it is in it's entirety a FACT.
    Is there proof that Jesus rose from the dead? A proof you want to see? There is not. Therefore we are saved by FAITH through GRACE. A faith to KNOW that Jesus overcame our sins and death, a faith and hope we have in escaping hell, and a faith to KNOW we will have everlasting life.
    If you have family members who you think died unsaved, it is not your concern but between them and God.
    We KNOW we are very close to the end all be in it even 10 years but we ARE close.
    The bible was NOT written by man but by God, 2 Timothy 3 vs 16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
    Are YOU ready????? Jesus says the father is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. The bible is there, start reading, he is a pray away, start praying.

  • Rayburne F.

    I’m sorry to hear of Dr. Jack van Impe’s passing to glory. I have deep respect for the man, though I firmly believe he was wrong on many things. For example, he said that what Christians were saying in connection with the unbiblical false Harold Camping prediction conerning Jesus’ words that “no man knows the day nor the hour, not even the angels in heaven, but my Father only” (Matt. 24:36) was “nonsense”. With all due respect to Dr. jack and rexella, it is not nonsense:

    The pre-tribulation rapture view, which divides the Second Coming of our blessed Lord into to phases (Rapture and Revelation or return) is based on very skewed interpretation of scripture and has serious exegetical problems. According the dispensational view (Pre-Trib Rapture) , the revelation or return of Christ would take place 7-years after the Rapture. Since the Rapture must take place first, it is possible to know the time of Christ’s return (Revelation) by just calculatng 7-years from the time of the Rapture. The serious problem with this interpretation is that Christ himself taught concerning the time of His return: “But of that day or hour no one knows, no, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36). This is just one serious exegetical problem arising from this division of the Second Coming of Christ into two phases–Rapture and Revelation (actually two second comings of Christ separated by 7-years tribulation.). There are many more:

    2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 teaches clearly that the eternal destruction of the unsaved–”those who do not know God” and “those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ” (v. 8)–takes place “when He [Christ] comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints,” in other words, simultaneously with Christ’s return or revelation (see verses 7-10), not 1000 years after His return. Matthew 25:31-46 affirms this same truth–that the judgment that occurs at the Second Coming of Christ in glory issues in everlasting fire (v. 41) and everlasting punishment (v. 46) for the “goats” (the unsaved) and eternal life for the “sheep” (the saved) .Why do pretribulationists still insist then that the judgment of the unsaved must take place 1000 years after Christ’s return (at the Great White Throne judgment ) at the end of the 1000-year-millenium, to be exact, especially when the straightforward description of what happens when Christ returns in 2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 and Matthew 25:31-46 simply doesn’t leave room for a 1000-year earthly reign . No, my friend, the plain teaching of scripture is that there is that Jesus Christ Second Coming is one event, not two phases (Rapture and Revelation), as the scriptures above show, in which will take place the final resurrection and final judgment of both the righteous and unbelievers. Pretribulationalists identify the word “Coming” ( Greek, “Parousia”) with Christ’s coming to rapture His church (see 2 Thessalonians 2:1) but verse 8 in the same context of 2 Thessalonians uses the same word for “coming” (“Parousia”) to describe the destruction of “that Wicked” (AntiChrist) “whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his “coming” (same Greek word “parousia”). I could give more examples to show there are no two phases (Rapture and Revelation) of Christ’s second coming. Christ’s second coming is one event. There is one general resurrection and one final judgment. Daniel 12:2; John 5: 28-29; Acts 24:15; Revelation 20: 13-15 speak of the resurrection of believers and unbelievers as a single event, and do not contain the slightest indication that the resurrection of the righteous and that of the wicked will be separated by 1000 years. But that is not all that can be said to show the two are contemporaneous. In John 5:21-29 Jesus combines the thought of the resurrection, including the resurrection of the righteous, with the thought of the judgment, including the judgment of the wicked. I could give more examples, but sufficient to indicate that there is one general resurrection of both the righteous and wicked at a time when both will be judged. Applying this truth to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, we see that the rapture of saints living at the time of Christ’s return (read 1 Thessalonians 3 in context) clearly takes place after the resurrection of “the dead in Christ”. Dispensationalists use this passage to support their contention that because this passage mentions only the resurrection of the “dead in Christ” there must be two resurrections which don’t occur at the same time. Yet, that is just an inference obtained by reading more into the passage than what it plainly states. The point of contrast here is not between the resurrection of believers and unbelievers, but between the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” (deceased believers) and the Rapture of believers who are still living at Christ’s return. There is no indication that there are two separate resurrections taught in this passage , especially when we compare scripture with scripture above (I.e. Dan. 12:2; John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15, Revelation 20:13-15, especially 2 Thessalonians 1:5-10 and Matthew 25:31-46. In Acts 24:15, Paul, in his defence before Felix, says, “I worship the God of my fathers…having a hope in God which these themselves( the jews who are accusing him) accept, that there will be a resurrection of both the just and the unjust” (Acts 24:14-15). In the Greek, as well as in the English translation, the word “resurrection” is in the singular (“Anastasia“). Can two resurrections a thousand years apart properly be called “a resurrection”? I think not! The attempt to restrict the resurrection in revelation 20:11-15 is totally unconvincing. This passage clearly describes a general resurrection of all the dead: “the dead, great and small”; “the dead were judged”; “the sea gave up the dead in it”; “Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done”.

    Premillennialists quote Revelation 20:4-6 to support their contention that there will be two separate resurrections, one for believers and and another for unbelievers, separated by 1000 years. But this belief is based on a literal interpretation of this passage (Rev. 20: 4-6 ) from a highly symbolical book, over against the clear teaching in other passages (I.e. John 5:28-29; Acts 24:15; Daniel 12:2; Matthew 25:31-46; etc.) that the resurrection of believers and unbelievers will be simultaneous. The recognized rule of exegesis is to interpret an obscure passage of scripture in the light the clear teaching of other passages on the subject, not vice versa. Some exegetes have interpreted “the first resurrection” as a spiritual resurrection, for which I believe there is much support. Verse 4 says: Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed.” The first question we must ask is, Where are these thrones? “The word “throne” in the book of Revelation is used 47 times, and that all but 3 of these thrones (2:13; 13:2; 16:10) appear to be in heaven. When we add to this the plain fact that John sees “the souls of those who had been beheaded” (obviously the intermediate state of disembodied spirits of martyrs who have died for their faith),” we are confirmed in our conclusion that the locale of John’s vision has now shifted to heaven. We may say then whereas the 1000-year-period described in these six verses is the same throughout, verses 1-3 describes what happens on earth during this time, and verses 4-6 depict what happens in heaven.

    It is very interesting that I have not heard a premillennialist to date who will deny that Revelation 6:9 is a vision of the heavenly bliss of those who have suffered martyrdom for Christ; yet, when they encounter virtually the same terminology (or language) in Revelation 20:4, they can only see a post-Parousia (=Second Coming of Christ) millennial kingdom on the earth of embodied believers. A careful reading of these two passages, however, will reveal that they are describing the same experience.

    Revelation 6:9

    “[And] I saw (kai eidon)
    “the souls of them that were slain”
    (tas psuchas ton esphagmenon)
    “for the word of God”
    (dia ton logon tou theou)
    “and for the testimony which they held”
    (dia ten marturian hen eichon)

    Revelation 20:4

    “And I saw (kai eidon)
    “the souls of them that were beheaded”
    (tas psuchas ton pepelekismenon)
    “for the word of God”
    (dia ton logon tou theou)
    “for the witness of Jesus”
    (dia ten marturian ‘lesou)

    In the light of the above comparison, which clearly reveals that they are both describing the same experience, is it not more biblical and intellectually honest, therefore, to conclude that the word “souls” in its immediate context: “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus” and “and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years” (v. 4) definitely does not refer to people living on earth , but rather to slain martyrs, specifically the intermediate state (see 2 Cor. 5:8) or aspect of the martyrs which still exists after their bodies have been cruelly put to death?

    Does it not follow contextually and exegetically that the same scene in which the “souls” (from Greek, psychas or spirit) of these deceased martyrs “lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years” (vv. 4 and 6); therefore, is not earth, but heaven–and it is there that we are told in verse 6 that “the second death hath no power, but they (the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus) shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years?

    (Moreover, is this (the truths in [a] and [b] not confirmed by the latter statement: “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished” (v.5), which connects and agrees with the preceding statement, “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus?” (v.4).

    It is perfectly clear that scripture teaches the rapture takes place in the context of Christ’s coming (“parousia”) or return, which is one event, not two, and therefore it is biblical and correct to state that if one truly believes what Christ taught concerning His return: “But of that day or hour no one knows, no, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only” (Matthew 24:36), then, no one can know the day or hour when the rapture of the church will take place

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  • Rayburne F.

    It is sad when you find yourself having to defend the teachings of God's Word against Christians. For example, Jack van Impe claims that people who were quoting Matthew 24:36 ..that no man can know the day nor the hour…" respecting the Rapture were speaking nonsense (of course, this does not help explain why he set a date (Dec. 31, 2012) for the Rapture of the church).

    I wish to point out that the Rapture in the classical passage (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) clearly takes place in the context of the resurrection of "the dead in Christ" Read it yourself. Now I don't believe in two resurrections separated by a thousand years, as premillennialists do. This passage (1 Thess. 4:16-18 ) says nothing about the resurrection of the unsaved, but distinguishes the resurrection of the "dead in Christ" ("and the dead in Christ shall rise first") and the living and transformed saints. Also if you read Daniel 12:2, John 5:24:28-29; Revelation 20:11-15, there is not even a hint in these passages that there are two resurrections separated by 1000 years, but that the resurrection of both the saved and unsaved takes place contemporously at the samt time (one event, not two).

    In any case, even if one wishes to argue same, it is easy to prove from scripture that no one can know the time of the Rapture:

    The Rapture in 1 Thessalonians ("then we which are alive and remain shall be "caught up") clearly takes place in the context of the Lord's Second Coming ("The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout.."), regardless of what one believes about the resurrection (one general resurrection or two resurrections) .

    Now (and here is the main point) according to premillennial teaching, which divides the Second Coming of Christ into two appearances (actually two second comings–Rapture and Revelation or Return) , the return or Revelation of Christ is supposed to take place 7 years after the Rapture (while people on earth are undergoing 7-year Tribulation), so pretribulationists tell us that if you know when the Rapture takes place, you can know when Christ will return simply by calculating/adding 7 years from the time of the Rapture.

    The big problem with that is that the Rapture takes place in the context of the Second Coming of Christ, as I pointed out above,which Christ taught "But of that day and hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, but my Father only" (Matt. 24:36).

    So biblically speaking, no one can know the time of the Rapture because the rapture takes place in the context of the Lord's Second Coming (remember, the question opening Matthew 24 was "And what will be the sign of your "coming and of the end of the age?"), about which Christ warned no one can know, only the Father. Clearly, Matthew 24 treats the Lord's Second Coming (see Matthew 24:3, 29) as one event in the same context and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 (please read) teach that the redemption (glorification) of the saints (v. 10 compare v. 8) and judgment and punishment of the wicked take place on the same day ("..when he comes in that Day, to be glorified in His saints"). Aslo, Matthew 25 (judgment of sheep and goats) teaches the same truth; namely, the separation of the sheep and goats at the same time when God will judge and punish the wicked (goats). Many more passages could be cited.

    Yes, Dr. Jack may claim that Matthew 24 (the Olivet Discourse) does not have to do with the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the age, but scripture plainly teaches it does. Thisis evident in verse 3 of the introduction of Matthew 24. The disciples come to Jesus and ask: "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming and the end of the age"? Nore carefully, the disciples and what will be the sign of your "coming" and "the end of the age". Then, he mentions the many signs (i.e. wars and rumors of waers, etc.), the Great tribulation itself (verse 21) and tells us explicitly when this "coming" (v. 3) will take place in regards to the time of the tribulation in verses 29-30: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days…Then, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven…and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Now please don't say I have taken these verses out of context. I clearly have not.

    • http://www.goddiscussion.com Dakota O'Leary

      And Christians wouldn't know Christ if he appeared tomorrow. Sad, isn't it?

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