Rachel Maddow of MSNBC interviewed David Bahati, sponsor of the "Kill the Gays Bill" in Uganda, in a 2-part interview.
Bahati explained that homosexuality is not a human right in Uganda, and claimed that his bill will defend the children and the families of Uganda. When Maddow questioned him about how the bill would defend children and the family, he said that foreigners are recruiting Ugandan children into homosexuality. He said that God created man and woman for marriage and procreation and that homosexuals defile children.
Lies About Gays and Punishment For Their Existence = Love.
He also claimed that he "loves" gay people but must protect children who are "recruited" by homosexuals. He could give Maddow no credible evidence of this, but insisted that it is a fact studied by Ugandans. Bahati claimed that $15 million was spent in the last 7 months in Uganda schools to pay children to become gay.
Maddow told Bahati that the notion that "gay people are recruiting kids" is a myth that is not supported by any kind of facts. She told Bahati that if videos and evidence exists, then he should release the evidence. By the second day of the interview, no evidence was provided.
In Uganda, Death Sentences Are Not the Same as Executions.
In discussing his legislation that calls for the death penalty for gay people, Bahati told Maddow that she should not use the word "execution" in the context of his legislation because he is not Hitler.
With respect to the alleged homosexuals identified for hanging in the Ugandan Rolling Stone paper in October, Bahati did not condemn the paper. Instead, he said that the paper expressed the frustration of people because there was no clear law implementing anti-homosexual laws in Uganda.
If Ugandans who are gay go to another country and have homosexual relations, the legislation calls for the extradition of such people back to Uganda for punishment. Although their relations would take place outside of country, Bahati claimed that this is important in order to address the homosexual problem in Uganda and will protect Uganda's children and families.
He claimed that families in Uganda are hurt because homosexuality hurts the purpose of the family. He claims that homosexuality is not part of Uganda's character and is against God's law. It is sin, in his view, and Uganda's kill the gays bill is consistent with the views of "the son of a Jewish carpenter."
Bahati insisted that he is not involved in a hate campaign but is merely trying to protect Uganda's children because of homosexual recruitment and promotion.
The Family and its Relationship with Uganda.
The secretive religious group known as "The Family" on C-Street and the American-backed "Family" in Uganda are the same thing, and linked directly into the Kill the Gays bill.
David Bahati is a member of The Family and a leader of The Family in Uganda's parliament. Bahati admitted that he has attended National Prayer breakfasts in Washington and is active in the Family in Uganda. The Family has not discouraged the bill, although Bahati said that they have not encouraged it, either.
Bahati claims that his proposed legislation promotes respect and tolerance. He was willing to take the death penalty out of the bill but saw the life imprisonment as a step forward.
The Family has assisted Bahati with moving his bill forward. Sharlet had interviewed Bahati in Uganda, who admitted that homosexuality was not really talked about in Uganda until Americans pushed the issue. Bahati hoped that the Uganda legislation will encourage America to take a stand against homosexuals.
Bahati has friends and supporters in America, including the Family, Lou Engle and members of the Family Research Council. During his December visit to Washington, he has been staying at the home of Jack Klenk, former director of the Office of Non-Public Education of the U.S. Department of Education, under the George W. Bush administration. Klenk told Sharlet that he was familiar with Bahati's bill and thought it came from a "loving place" and that the punishments were "loving." Klenk allegedly thought that punishment of homosexuality is a mainstream position.